In 2007 I was asked to participate in "Zuilen in de bagger" (an art project by Hugo Lammerink) and the subject was to transform 1 of the 12 pillars in the art space 'locus010' Rotterdam, together with 11 other artist. I chose a pillar which as an remarkable communication with an outside church tower and I started to "talk" back in dimensions and forms. To start to "communicate" with an outside structure was a result of lacking communication inside with the other 12 artists of who I met maybe 4 and just 1 was talking back in a nice manner.